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ABC Seafood Restaurant -- Foster City
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David Zincavage
2004-08-03 00:56:10 UTC
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The wife and I visited this one twice recently. They've got another
restaurant, serving the South Bay Chinese community, in Milpitas. It's
located in a shopping mall next to the office buildings, on the north side
of Hillsdale in Foster City. This is one of quite a few Chinese
restaurants in this area, where most customers are Chinese, and much of the
service staff is not really able to communicate in English. If you don't
speak Chinese, I'd recommend trying to get the maitre d' over to your table
to resolve the inevitable questions.

They have a reputation for dim sum, but we just came in for dinner. They do
a deep fried calamari in salty pepper appetiser, which is addictive. We
much liked the seafood soup with sizzling rice. It contained a really nice
variety of fish and scallop and shrimp, and this new-to-us form of rice
(sort of popped or puffed rice cake -- snaps, crackles, and pops in one's
soup) was a real hit. I wanted to order some sashimi'd lobster, but the
maitre d' urged me to get the Geoduck clam two ways instead. He assured me
that the Geoduck had just come in, and was really really fresh. Well, I've
often seen those bizarre looking bivalves lurking in front room tanks in
some of the harder core Chinese restaurants in these parts, but for some
reason or other, never actually tried it. I'd heard good things about the
Koi Palace's geoduck four ways, and if I could ever get in there again (my
wife objects to two hour waits for a table), I was hankering to give it a
try. Eating geoduck two ways seemed like a reasonable beginner's effort.
Well, I've got to tell you: geoduck sashimi makes it. That gross-looking
enormous clam-that-devoured-Cleveland had been sliced into delicate little
thin pieces you could practically read through. Biting into it, was like
taking a bite of the ocean. It didn't really taste like the traditional
chowder clam at all. It tasted (delicately) of essence of the sea, and was
just a little chewy. I loved the stuff. My wife was a bit skeptical, but
I did get her to try a piece. The second way was a repeat of our favored
deep fried calimari in salty pepper, just geoduck instead. Not bad, but not
the gourmet's delight that the sashimi was.

I've seen some reviews complaining that you get rude service at ABC Seafood.
I haven't found them rude myself, just seriously non-English speaking, and
unacquainted with round eye customs like ordering wine by the bottle. But,
rudeness is a good sign. There's a rule: the ruder the service (usually)
the better, and more authentic, the Chinese restaurant.
unknown
2004-08-03 01:49:28 UTC
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Post by David Zincavage
The wife and I visited this one twice recently. They've got another
restaurant, serving the South Bay Chinese community, in Milpitas.
The disparate ABC Seafoods, as far as I know, are independent of
one-another insofar as anything but name is concerned. There's some
loose afilliation, but they are all separate business entities.
Post by David Zincavage
They do
a deep fried calamari in salty pepper appetiser, which is addictive.
That's good shit. Try also the slightly-breaded-and-fried pork chops,
which get fried along with chopped chili.
Post by David Zincavage
I wanted to order some sashimi'd lobster, but the
maitre d' urged me to get the Geoduck clam two ways instead.
My father always orders the Geoduck. Personally, I don't care for the
stuff. The sashimi style is interesting but, fundamentally, I feel
like I'm eating soft cartilage. The fried style (which uses the less
valuable, "gloppier" portion of the geoduck, is more enjoyable to my
tongue, but I'd still rather have fried calamari...or pork chop.

This may not have been the case with you, since you were already
thinking about going with the lobster, but keep in mind that waiters
will often try to talk customers into buying expensive "swimming"
seafood to pump up the bill. This happens in Western restaurants, of
course...and Chinese patrons also get this hard sell in Chinese
restaurants, but just keep that in mind and make sure that you're told
how much, per pound, the stuff's going to be, and how many pounds the
particular item will be. E.g.: make sure you're told what the cost
will be so you can figure out if you're comfortable with it.

(One time, at Furama in Fremont, we were told we were going to get an
approximately $20/pound fish, which was fine with us. Problem was, the
waiter didn't tell us it was going to be a huge 3-ish-pounder.)
Post by David Zincavage
I've seen some reviews complaining that you get rude service at ABC Seafood.
I haven't found them rude myself, just seriously non-English speaking, and
unacquainted with round eye customs like ordering wine by the bottle. But,
rudeness is a good sign. There's a rule: the ruder the service (usually)
the better, and more authentic, the Chinese restaurant.
I appreciate your open-mindedness and I think I've talked about this
before, but keep in mind that the concept of "courtesy" and "rudeness"
would be different in the Chinese setting. *Usually*, Chinese waiters
aren't trying to be rude or thinking that their actions might be
construed as rude...it's just that they've never been taught certain
fine points on Western conceptions of hospitality etiquette.

Chester
Tim May
2004-08-03 02:48:06 UTC
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Post by unknown
(One time, at Furama in Fremont, we were told we were going to get an
approximately $20/pound fish, which was fine with us. Problem was, the
waiter didn't tell us it was going to be a huge 3-ish-pounder.)
At first glance I read "Furama" as "Futurama." Not the Fox TV series,
catering to the Gen X/bling bling crowd who had missed "The Jetsons"
during its first run, but the Futurama Bowl bowling alley on Steven's
Creek Boulevard, near where Lawrence Expressway crosses it.

(The "futuristic" sign is all that is left of this shopping center,
which is now a Mega-Safeway and several typical strip mall shops.)

The relevance to ba.food is that there was a time, about 20-22 years
ago, when some of the best Thai food in the South Bay was in
restaurants attached to bowling alleys. Yes, this is true.

One of the first Thai restaurants I can recall (very likely the first
Thai restaurant I ever ate in), circa 1982, was in this Futurama Bowl.
Another, about the same time, was in a bowling alley on El Camino Real,
a few blocks up from Tower Records in Los Altos/Palo Alto.

(And the third main Thai restaurant I recall was at the Reed-Hillview
airport, circa 1983-4.)

While two restaurants is not a major trend, someone told me at the time
that this pattern was also present in other cities where Thais were
opening restaurants.

There must be some interesting stories about how Thai restaurants came
to be associated with bowling alleys. Maybe the Thai immigrants had
previously known American GIs at bowling alleys in Thailand...who
knows? (If anybody does, speak up.) Perhaps their standalone
restaurants catering to Americans, with names like "Me Love You Long
Time Restaurant" failed, and bowling alleys were the next cheapest
place to locate in.

It would be interesting to hear what happened to those original
"Bowling Alley Thais" and what later restaurants they operated. The Web
lacks information on this period.

--Tim May
William Ahern
2004-08-04 18:55:20 UTC
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Post by unknown
(One time, at Furama in Fremont, we were told we were going to get an
approximately $20/pound fish, which was fine with us. Problem was, the
waiter didn't tell us it was going to be a huge 3-ish-pounder.)
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Post by Tim May
It would be interesting to hear what happened to those original
"Bowling Alley Thais" and what later restaurants they operated. The Web
lacks information on this period.
I'm not familiar w/ the area, but somewhere between CA-85 and W. Charleston
Rd. on El Camino Real is a Thai Restaurant attached to a bowling alley (on
your right going North from CA-85). I always thought the place looked
"retro", but didn't realize till this past Monday that it was part of a
bowling alley. And now I read this post about the history of such places.
I'll have to try it out. Though, I can't guarantee that it's actually still
operating. I'll try to confirm tommorrow.
Isaac Wingfield
2004-08-05 03:45:01 UTC
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Post by William Ahern
Post by Tim May
Post by unknown
(One time, at Furama in Fremont, we were told we were going to get an
approximately $20/pound fish, which was fine with us. Problem was, the
waiter didn't tell us it was going to be a huge 3-ish-pounder.)
<snip>
Post by Tim May
It would be interesting to hear what happened to those original
"Bowling Alley Thais" and what later restaurants they operated. The Web
lacks information on this period.
I'm not familiar w/ the area, but somewhere between CA-85 and W. Charleston
Rd. on El Camino Real is a Thai Restaurant attached to a bowling alley (on
your right going North from CA-85). I always thought the place looked
"retro", but didn't realize till this past Monday that it was part of a
bowling alley. And now I read this post about the history of such places.
I'll have to try it out. Though, I can't guarantee that it's actually still
operating. I'll try to confirm tommorrow.
A block or two above Los Altos Rd. AFAIR. On the right side going up.

Isaac
JC Dill
2004-08-05 04:47:51 UTC
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Post by Isaac Wingfield
Post by William Ahern
I'm not familiar w/ the area, but somewhere between CA-85 and W. Charleston
Rd. on El Camino Real is a Thai Restaurant attached to a bowling alley (on
your right going North from CA-85). I always thought the place looked
"retro", but didn't realize till this past Monday that it was part of a
bowling alley. And now I read this post about the history of such places.
I'll have to try it out. Though, I can't guarantee that it's actually still
operating. I'll try to confirm tommorrow.
A block or two above Los Altos Rd. AFAIR. On the right side going up.
Thai Garden Restaurant
4329 El Camino Real Palo Alto, CA (650) 949-5259

<http://www.midgard.net/~strata/kabuki/past/1999/Thai_Garden-09-09-99>

jc
Phil Parkman
2004-08-05 18:09:09 UTC
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Post by JC Dill
Post by Isaac Wingfield
Post by William Ahern
I'm not familiar w/ the area, but somewhere between CA-85 and W. Charleston
Rd. on El Camino Real is a Thai Restaurant attached to a bowling alley (on
your right going North from CA-85). I always thought the place looked
"retro", but didn't realize till this past Monday that it was part of a
bowling alley. And now I read this post about the history of such places.
I'll have to try it out. Though, I can't guarantee that it's actually still
operating. I'll try to confirm tommorrow.
A block or two above Los Altos Rd. AFAIR. On the right side going up.
Thai Garden Restaurant
4329 El Camino Real Palo Alto, CA (650) 949-5259
<http://www.midgard.net/~strata/kabuki/past/1999/Thai_Garden-09-09-99>
jc
Here's my hazy recollection of the history of the 2 restaurants Tim May
mentioned
in the original post:

Stevens Creek Bowling Alley:

moved to Los Gatos across from LG High School in the 80's
when that location turned into the Los Gatos Hotel , they moved to
DeAnza Boulevard, across the street from Britannia Arms. Still there
last time I went to BrtArms - within the last 6 months. When I worked in
that
area, it was very popular for lunch (3 years ago)

San Antonio Bowling Alley

as noted above, there is still a Thai restaurant there, however, in the
early 90's, the cook and staff had a revolution and went to Thai City,
a mile or so logical North on ECR. At that time, we sampled
both and decided that the magic had gone with the staff to Thai City.

However, that was several lifetimes ago in the restaurant biz, there is
no mileage left here to vary.

As I recall, there was some connection between the original bowling alley
Thai restaurants. However, my memory being worthless, I'm left to
imagine that there was a Thai bowling cult - perhaps the multi-armed
porcelain cats were wearing bowling shirts and carrying pins in all their
arms?

Phil
Matt Ackeret
2004-08-11 01:02:56 UTC
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Post by JC Dill
Thai Garden Restaurant
4329 El Camino Real Palo Alto, CA (650) 949-5259
The juggling club I've gone there with a few times calls it "Thai Bowling".

I had no idea it was actually a common pairing (at least in the past).
Thai restaurants attached to bowling alleys, that is.
Tim May
2004-10-27 02:53:01 UTC
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Post by David Zincavage
The wife and I visited this one twice recently. They've got another
restaurant, serving the South Bay Chinese community, in Milpitas.
The disparate ABC Seafoods, as far as I know, are independent of
one-another insofar as anything but name is concerned. There's some
loose afilliation, but they are all separate business entities.
...
Post by unknown
(One time, at Furama in Fremont, we were told we were going to get an
approximately $20/pound fish, which was fine with us. Problem was, the
waiter didn't tell us it was going to be a huge 3-ish-pounder.)
By the way, my apologies for responding _now_ to the 8/2 David
Zincavage message. Something in my newsreader must have resurfaced
these old marked-as-read messages (I restarted and installed new OS X
updates, so maybe it reset a few of the newsgroup postings....).

I recocnized Chesters "$20/pound fish" story" and wondered if he was
recycling his old words...then I noticed the "8/2" dates.

But my comments about liking Chef Chu's and not encountering rude
Chinese waiters (because of keeping things very simple), are current.
Maybe I'll post a review of our trip to Chef Chu's in a few days.


--Tim May

Tim May
2004-10-27 02:46:43 UTC
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Post by David Zincavage
I've seen some reviews complaining that you get rude service at ABC Seafood.
I haven't found them rude myself, just seriously non-English speaking, and
unacquainted with round eye customs like ordering wine by the bottle. But,
rudeness is a good sign. There's a rule: the ruder the service (usually)
the better, and more authentic, the Chinese restaurant.
I've eaten at many dozens of such Chinese restaurants, with and without
Chinese-speaking friends. (Most of my friends get by in Cantonese, not
Mandarin.)

I have never, ever had a "rude" waiter in any of the Chinese
restaurants I have been in. I assume they exist, but my method of
dealing with them makes it hard for them to be "rude." I just order by
number, or point at the menu, or if we order family-style, someone
makes a list and reads it to them. No complicated requests, which I
think is best (no requests for "vegan" dishes, no requests that the
squid first be browned in its mother's ink, etc.).

I avoid engaging the waiters or waitresses in either small talk or in
detailed questions like "If I wished to split a bottle of the
chardonnay with another, could I then substitute calamari for the clams
in the second dish?"

Nobody should have to understand the sentential calculus to order
dinner.

The Chinese understand this better than the "Hi, my name is Tad, and
I'll be your waitperson" persons of gayness do. My hunch is that this
is cultural and a fact that many such restaurants are family-operated,
with less turnover.

However, to offend people here, a bunch of us are preparing for a
long-awaited trip to Chef Chu's in a few days. Say what you like, but
it's where I learned to love Szechwan food a few decades ago. I haven't
had the whole spicy crispy fish in a long time, and I await it with
anticipation.

(The proximate cause is that that our old boss, the CEO of Intel, for
those of us attending, recently claimed in an interview in the
Chronicle that Chef Chu's remains his favorite restaurant and he
usually eats there once a week. We have eaten many times at the "more
favored" hole-in-the-wall places, in Mountain View and Palo Alto, but
sometimes ya just gotta celebrate life by eating at one of the Great
Originals. This is sure to enflame those out there who will claim that
Larry Chu is no longer even the chef and that TK Noodles serves better
Chinese food than Chef Chu's. However, a bowl of pho is not what I
crave. Szechwan string beans, Hunan-style whole fish, and of course the
moo shoo pork pancakes, _that's_ what I crave!)

Sosumi, not sashimi.

--Tim May
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