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Carnelian Room, San Francisco
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t***@well.com
2003-12-26 05:17:42 UTC
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Several weeks ago I sought suggestions for a Xmas Eve dinner at
formal, elegant, festive SF restaurant. The few messages in response
led me to the Carnelian Room... I want to thank those who took the
time to respond, and for what I have to say, I do not hold them
responsible in any way, but I wish I should have known better.

Formal, elegant, the CR certainly is. It is the largest restaurant in
which I can remember eating (all of the 52nd floor of the BofA
building) with a 3-4-tier hierarchy of service, wood-panneled,
heavily carpeted, thick linen, massive cutlery, the works. A view to
die for, all of SF at your feet in the glory of its twinkling lights.
All of which is admirable if only the food were edible.

We ordered from the prix fixe menu ($39 for appetizer, entrée, and
desert): the endive salad consisted of a few leaves of same,
two-count'em-two leaves of raddichio, two 1/4"x1/4"x2" strips of
gorgonzola, and a whisper of dressing on the bottom of the plate.
The scallop appetizer was ONE scallop and ONE raviolus of lobster.
The grouper entrée was a piece of overcooked, dry fish in a
non-descript meunière sauce. The braised short ribs were a mound of
stringy beef on a mound of mashies. The vegetables were tantamount to
raw (we could not bite through the carrots). For what it's worth, the
deserts were the only thing that we could consider as barely good.

In retrospect, I am beginning to wonder whether the entrées were not
simply prefabricated and microwaved as ordered.

I am willing to concede that $39 is not an exhorbitant price for a
meal in such a spectacular environment, and perhaps, perhaps, had we
ordered from the more expensive full menu, we might have had a decent
dinner, but I am certainly not going to ever cross CR's threshold to
find out.

À bon entendeur, salut...

T.


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Icono Clast
2003-12-26 10:31:34 UTC
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Post by t***@well.com
Several weeks ago I sought suggestions for a Xmas Eve dinner at
formal, elegant, festive SF restaurant. The few messages in response
led me to the Carnelian Room...
I saw the question but, since I had no answer, didn't look at it. Had
I known the Carnelian Room had been recommended, I would have sent you
to:

Carnelian Room
TO}opinions of the food, Bad but ...
rec.arts.dance - Jul 25, 1995 by Icono Clast - View Thread (20
articles)

Re: Bank of America building in San Francisco
a terific view from the Carnelian Room Indeed there is! ... The
Carnelian Room has consistently had the worst food for the money of
any place I've ever been. ... rec.travel.usa-canada - May 21, 2002 by
Icono Clast - (7 articles)

San Francisco restaurant
... Great food, good service. Very expensive. The Carnelian Room atop
the Bank of America World Headquarters building. Superb service, high
prices, bad food. ... rec.travel.usa-canada - Nov 15, 1994 by Icono
Clast - (35 articles)

Re: SF restauants with good/g
... 35 to 50 a person depending on wine, etc. Although I go to the
Carnelian
Room at least once a year, I would _never_ recommend it for the food.
...
ba.food - Apr 30, 1995 by Icono Clast - View Thread (1 article)

Re: Evvia, Palo Alto
... You simply never know. I've had some great meals in unexpected
places (many) and some awful ones that were shocking because of the
venue [Carnelian Room]. ... ba.food - Dec 3, 2001 by Icono Clast -
View Thread (32 articles)

Re: Years ahead?!?
... Who among us does not agree that the Carnelian Room serves, on the
one hand, some pretty bad food but, on the other, provides a very
pleasant dining experience ... ba.food - Sep 19, 1999 by IClast - View
Thread (4 articles)

$150 gift
... The Carnelian Room would be a good choice for the view and service
but not
for the food that isn't good at all and the quantities are quite
small. ...
ba.food - Jun 26, 1996 by Icono Clast - View Thread (5 articles)

Re: Rubicon - we went
... time we're out and experience some! If you can stomach the food
for
the price, the service at the Carnelian Room is quite nice.
ba.food - Sep 23, 1995 by Icono Clast - View Thread (3 articles)

unusual restaurants
... Victor's at the Saint Francis and CityScape at the Hilton are the
best. The
Carnelian Room at the Bank of America's World Headquarters is the
worst.
ba.food - Aug 3, 1995 by Icono Clast - View Thread (17 articles)

Those are just stuff that I wrote. I'm sure you'll find at least as
much, saying much the same, from others. Sorry.
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t***@well.com
2003-12-26 15:39:22 UTC
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Post by Icono Clast
I saw the question but, since I had no answer, didn't look at it. Had
I known the Carnelian Room had been recommended, I would have sent you
Carnelian Room
TO}opinions of the food, Bad but ..
I wish you had, but what the hell, you live and learn.

T.
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Steve Green
2003-12-26 19:24:32 UTC
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On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 05:17:42 GMT, ***@well.com wrote:
......(bad food at the Carnelian Room)

We call it the inverse view law:
The better the view, the worse the food.




Steve Green
Mean Green Dancing Machine
2003-12-26 19:44:50 UTC
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Post by Steve Green
......(bad food at the Carnelian Room)
The better the view, the worse the food.
While generally true, there are certainly exceptions. The Cliff House
Sunday brunch has been good, and the Space Needle in Seattle has been
competent (worth the price after you subtract the cost of a ride up the
Needle).
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2003-12-27 09:58:57 UTC
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Post by t***@well.com
À bon entendeur, salut...
Tony, I'm really sorry it was so bad. My last trip there was about
four years ago, and while it's never been the best experience in every way,
it was certainly high on the list for an overall "elegant" dining experience.
The wine list was one of the best in the city, and several of the table side
selections actually were the best. From your description they're now in
complete freefall. I guess now it's only to a place to get a strawberry
daiquiri at the bar while taking in the view.

I can't help but suspect it's because the cooks are now spending all
their time looking out the windows at airplane traffic instead of
cooking the food. Haha, sort of.

Again, I'm sorry to have steered you in the wrong direction.
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t***@well.com
2003-12-27 16:02:08 UTC
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Post by Reg
Post by t***@well.com
À bon entendeur, salut...
Tony, I'm really sorry it was so bad.
...........
Again, I'm sorry to have steered you in the wrong direction.
Not to worry, Reg, no ill-feelings harbored... as I said, live and
learn.

Best,

T.
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