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Carmen and Family Jamaican BBQ
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Mark Lipton
20 years ago
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This restaurant resided on Adeline near Alcatraz in S. Berkeley in the
'80s and early '90s but no longer exists there, alas. I note that there
are "Carmen and Family Bar-B-Q"s in Hayward and Fremont. Does anyone
know if it's the same operation?

Mark Lipton
Steve Pope
20 years ago
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Post by Mark Lipton
This restaurant resided on Adeline near Alcatraz in S. Berkeley
in the '80s and early '90s but no longer exists there, alas.
I note that there are "Carmen and Family Bar-B-Q"s in Hayward
and Fremont. Does anyone know if it's the same operation?
It's the same operation, however I don't recall the name
"Jamaican" in the one in Berkeley.

Are you conflating it with a different Jamaican restaurant
that was along that stretch of Alcatraz?

Or am I totally confused??

In any case, Carmen's is not Jamaican, they are Oakland-style
BBQ in the same genre as Flint's, E&J's or Dougs.

Steve
Mark Lipton
20 years ago
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Post by Steve Pope
It's the same operation, however I don't recall the name
"Jamaican" in the one in Berkeley.
Are you conflating it with a different Jamaican restaurant
that was along that stretch of Alcatraz?
Or am I totally confused??
In any case, Carmen's is not Jamaican, they are Oakland-style
BBQ in the same genre as Flint's, E&J's or Dougs.
Thanks for the info, Steve (and Pete). No, I definitely know it's
Carmen and Family -- they were on the W. side of Adeline, close to the N
end of the block. I don't know if they used Jamaican in the name, or
just had a sign advertising Jamaican food, but they definitely did have
something of the sort, because my wife was inspired to ask them if they
served jerk chicken (which wasn't a menu item). As it happened, they
did have it, courtesy of an older Jamaican man named Mr. Kelly, and it
still ranks as the best jerk chicken I've ever had. Mr. Kelly
steadfastly refused to divulge his recipe for his jerk sauce, but we've
reverse engineered a close facsimile thereof. I'm going to have to make
a trek down to Hayward and see if anyone there remembers Mr. Kelly.

Mark Lipton
Steve Pope
20 years ago
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Good plan. Thanks for the info.

Quite likely, I could have gone to a Carmen's and not noticed
the Jamaican aspect -- just focussing in on the standard eastbay Q.
I've been to the one in Fremont within the past decade. ;)

Steve
Pete Fraser
20 years ago
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Post by Steve Pope
Quite likely, I could have gone to a Carmen's and not noticed
the Jamaican aspect -- just focussing in on the standard eastbay Q.
I've been to the one in Fremont within the past decade. ;)
I've heard tell of the Fremont place, but have never been there.
Perhaps that's where Carmen's husband went when the Berkeley
place closed down. I'm not sure if Mark's Mr Kelly is Carmen's
husband -- I only knew his first name, and that was fifteen years
ago (Joe?). Tall, skinny soft spoken guy. Really friendly.

I tended to go to the Hayward location more frequently back
in those days because I thought the Q was a little bit better.
Carmen's hot sauce is some of the hottest (and tastiest) about,
and a couple of times she made a special version for me --
seriously hot stuff. Never had the jerk chicken though.
Mark Lipton
20 years ago
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That could easily be my Mr. Kelly, Pete. He was certainly thin, black
with graying hair and a noticeable Jamaican lilt to his English. I'll
have to enquire when I get the chance to visit the Hayward site.
Post by Pete Fraser
I tended to go to the Hayward location more frequently back
in those days because I thought the Q was a little bit better.
Carmen's hot sauce is some of the hottest (and tastiest) about,
and a couple of times she made a special version for me --
seriously hot stuff. Never had the jerk chicken though.
Those who know don't tell... Had Jean not made the effort of asking for
it, God knows if we'd ever have discovered it, either. Fortunately, we
did. I remember that, after eating 1/2 of a jerk chicken there, I left
the restaurant with my feet 12" above the pavement from the capsaicin
high: quite remarkable sensation, and not prosecutable AFAIK ;-) Mr.
Kelly's jerk chicken was mesquite smoked in a cold smoker located
outside, behind the restaurant. The jerk paste was wonderfully hot and
flavorful, and placed under the skin and in incisions made alongside the
bones. Our version of the paste's recipe available upon request.

Mark Lipton
The Ranger
20 years ago
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Post by Mark Lipton
Our version of the paste's recipe available upon request.
Please consider this a request for the recipe.

The Ranger
Mark Lipton
20 years ago
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Post by The Ranger
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Post by Mark Lipton
Our version of the paste's recipe available upon request.
Please consider this a request for the recipe.
Ask and ye shall receive:
Our Best Attempt at Mr. Kelly's Jerk Paste
2 T salt
2 T fresh thyme leaves
1 T sugar
2 T ground allspice
1 T ground cayenne pepper
1 T ground black pepper
4 T fresh sage
4 T minced garlic
2 T minced onion
5-6 fresh habaneros {see, Max: I learn!}
1 T balsamic vinegar
1 T soy sauce
1 T olive oil
6 T lime juice (or to taste)

Combine all the ingredients together and mix thoroughly. You should get
roughly 2 cups of a thick, dark paste the consistency of thick oatmeal.
This is generally enough for two whole chickens.

Mr. Kelly's Jerk Chicken (a rough facsimile):
Take a whole roasting chicken, make incisions into the skin and along
the thighbone, legbone and breastbone. Using a teaspoon, fit paste
under the skin of the bird and into the incisions along the bones. In
total, you should use about 1 cup of paste for the whole bird. Smoke
the chicken over mesquite for ca. 1 hour, until the skin is mahogany
brown. Quarter the bird and serve hot.

Have fun!
Mark Lipton
Pete Fraser
20 years ago
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Post by Mark Lipton
This restaurant resided on Adeline near Alcatraz in S. Berkeley in the
'80s and early '90s but no longer exists there, alas. I note that there
are "Carmen and Family Bar-B-Q"s in Hayward and Fremont. Does anyone
know if it's the same operation?
They are. Carmen still runs the one in Hayward.
Her husband used to run the one in Berkeley.
The Hayward one always had a slight edge, and
is still very good.
Arne Adolfsen
20 years ago
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Post by Mark Lipton
This restaurant resided on Adeline near Alcatraz in S. Berkeley in the
'80s and early '90s but no longer exists there, alas. I note that there
are "Carmen and Family Bar-B-Q"s in Hayward and Fremont. Does anyone
know if it's the same operation?
Mark Lipton
You can't call them and ask?

Arne
Steve Pope
20 years ago
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Post by Arne Adolfsen
Post by Mark Lipton
This restaurant resided on Adeline near Alcatraz in S. Berkeley in the
'80s and early '90s but no longer exists there, alas. I note that there
are "Carmen and Family Bar-B-Q"s in Hayward and Fremont. Does anyone
know if it's the same operation?
You can't call them and ask?
It is not the job of a barbecue restaurant employee to answer
historical questions when the phone rings. That is the job
of us here on ba.food.

Steve
ntantiques
20 years ago
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Post by Mark Lipton
This restaurant resided on Adeline near Alcatraz in S. Berkeley in the
'80s and early '90s but no longer exists there, alas. I note that there
are "Carmen and Family Bar-B-Q"s in Hayward and Fremont. Does anyone
know if it's the same operation?
Mark Lipton
Believe their Berkeley location closed after a shooting. Happened
years ago, but as I recall the owner was sleeping on the premises and
killed an intruder in the middle of the night during a break in. Don't
think the place ever reopened after that. Glad to hear they have other
locations.

NT
Al Eisner
20 years ago
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Hmmm -- just don't try to go to their new locations for a late-night
BBQ fix.
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Al Eisner
San Mateo Co., CA
Ciccio
20 years ago
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Post by Al Eisner
Hmmm -- just don't try to go to their new locations for a late-night
BBQ fix.
What a scaredy cat!

Ciccio

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